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ETA: Just a reminder to everyone…. let’s keep the discussions civil, please. I know it’s frustrating when “the other side” doesn’t see our point, but charity at all times will help greatly. Remember that our goal is to educate each other and we should be as open to listening to the other side as we hope they are open to listen to us. I’ve deleted comments that have nothing but cuss words or name calling in them, and I will continue to do so. If you want to see your comment here, please put forth your arguments in as kind and charitable manner as you are capable of doing. Thanks much.
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We are Filipinos – all fighting for a single cause, the very reason why we have bound together as one group and one voice: to speak the truth about the dignity and sanctity of human life in all its stages, from natural conception to natural death.
Brian Vargas
7 April 2011
To the maker of this video: Bobo ka lang ba talaga to not recognize the fact that RH bill is not about abortion? Or you are just twisting the facts to perpetuate the stupidity and ignorance of all the people who want to create and create babies whom the Catholic church will not even care to feed? But oh, pwede nilang binyagan ang mga babies, kaya mas dadami ang pera ng mga pari.Sige mga kapatid. Anak nang anak nang anak anak. Para marami bibinyagan.
Haggai de Cena
8 April 2011
Brian, you do not understand the stand of the Church regarding parenthood and the family.
The Church promotes responsible parenthood and she does not condone couples na anak lang ng anak. No. That is irresponsibility and the Church is not promoting irresponsibility. Hindi mo ba nabasa or narinig na pinopromote ng Church ang Natural Family Planning?
Oh, baka shocked ka. The Church has its own Family Planning programs at iba ito sa ipinagtutulakan ng RH Bill. Natural family planning promotes being responsible and makes couples understand and respect their bodies.
MR. PROLIFE
8 April 2011
Mr. Vargas do you know the mechanism of ACTION of the contraceptives?? i bet you don’t that’s why you are talking that way. .. Hindi issue ang binyag dito sir, ang issue dito ay yung traditions ng Church… contraceptives induce killing and killing is against the morals of the Church. and the STATE must respect the traditions of the church and it is in the constitution also…please study the constitution and the mechanisms of action of these contraceptives.. before you state your comments.
Anita Alisaca
8 April 2011
How “The Pill” works as an Abortifacient
http://www.youtube.com
This video is an animation showing how the contraceptive pill sometimes causes embryonic abortions. To read more about the mechanics of “The Pill” visit: http://www.epm.org/articles/bcp3300.html To learn more about alternatives to taking “The Pill” visit: 1. Natural Family Planning
BKOH
8 April 2011
Calm down. I suggest you research, pore and contemplate over a thousand literature available in the net. You can go to dusty old libraries too. Don’t get mad. You don’t know what you are saying because you are misinformed by the agents ,backers and lobbyists of the bill.
Read on the ff:
The History Of The Catholic Church
Catechism Of The Catholic Church
Planned Parenthood and Margaret Sanger
Likhaan website
RHAN (and a lot more)
Learn about the feminists backing the bill and the exact nature of their cause
READ and RE-READ THE RH BILL
Ask Beth Angsioco about the 140 grassroots of DSWP. Ask the women behind each major org
Ask and be a good critique. Hindi kami ang mabilis maniwala.Kayo.Sayang naman kayo. Pls research.
Learn about ABORTION, CONCEPTION(FERTILIZATION), CONTRACEPTIVES and
PRAY
Bye!
jmadzification
8 April 2011
Talagang feeling magaling ang mga PRO RH ano? Have you even heard of Caritas Manila? Or how about Gawad Kalinga?
Ikaw? Sa katalinuhan mong yan, ilan na nga ba natulungan mo?
Tingin mo mabubusog ang mga batang gutom sa pamimigay ng CONDOM, PILLS at IUD? Ikaw na ang matalino! Ulit ulitin mo lang yan sa sarili mo! Hahahaha
FYFL
8 April 2011
The RH Bill is about abortion. The RH bill includes “management of post-abortion complications” in its guiding principles (9th principle) and lists “management of abortion complications” as the 3rd element of reproductive health. The RH bill includes “hazards of abortion” in RH education(Section 16, 10th topic). In national crisis situations (devastations, calamities) while people are already suffering, the RH bill still wants “management of post-abortion complications”. In the RH bill, “management of post-abortion complications” is considered a reproductive right. You cannot say the RH bill is not about abortion. If it were not about abortion, these phrases shouldn’t even be in the bill at all. And what about the “post-abortion complication” of the baby who was aborted? The “complication” to the baby is death. Abortion remains a crime wherein the victim is the baby in the womb.
xamdantis
19 April 2011
This is weird. I usually don’t care about issues like this and frankly speaking, I don’t even care about the country because I am so fed up with all the corruption, lies and deception. But this issue, I am concerned about.
I’ve read about the RH Bill. I oppose. The RH Bill teaches nothing on values. It actually teaches us, Filipinos, how to be irresponsible and undisciplined. RH Bill merely states that there is an easier way to escape an unwanted responsibility. We should remember that there are consequences for our actions, and this bill would be the scapegoat of negligent citizens. I also think that it would result to a higher rate of people who covet. Why? What would they fear? E hindi naman sila magkakaanak.
I quote “Catholic church will not even care to feed” from Mr. Brian. You should have done some research before articulating such a raucous phrase. Haven’t you heard of the YFCs, SFCs, CFCs, PYMs, etc? In Occidental Mindoro, the church provided a three-floor mansion for natives and gave them their needs NO MATTER HOW MANY BABIES THEY HAVE. There are different organizations held together by the Catholic Church that execute charity work.
Consider this po, iisa nga lang anak niya, e tamad naman siya. Gutom pa’rin ‘yung bata.
If you don’t want to have any offspring, don’t engage into sexual intercourse.
If you don’t want your kids to go hungry, get a job. Strive and earn.
Simple problems require simple solutions.
The RH Bill is a desperate solution and a proof THAT OUR LEADERS CANNOT HANDLE AND DISCIPLINE US.
P.S. This is only my opinion. Don’t be too harsh on me if some information is erroneous. I’m just 16.
raff
8 April 2011
This is clearly a stupid propaganda of the catholic church. Im catholic but your disinformation campaign is sickening. Pass the RH bill NOW!!!!
Truthsayer
8 April 2011
Hello Raff. Please point out which parts are “disinformation”. Thank you.
BKOH
8 April 2011
@Raff :If it was stupid, you wouldn’t be frenetic that way.
Rax Gallego
8 April 2011
Truthsayer is not telling the Truth. Truthsayer pretends to be telling it.
Truthsayer
8 April 2011
And what is the truth, Rax? Would you care to elaborate?
vanillae
8 April 2011
Those who post comments here, trying to discredit the presentation, you should rather post your research, or even just your own interpretation of the RH Bill’s provisions instead of just pretending to understand the issue. Read the text, read between the lines, discern, determine your side, then explain so that we might learn from you. Just telling people that you know something and others don’t contributes nothing.
Please Explain
8 April 2011
Granted there are pro and cons to both the pro and anti RH bill…
What is the Catholic Church doing to stop, what I believe is a bigger problem in the world today: Child and Women Abuse by priests. Because at the end of the day, Catholic priests are revered in our country and yet they are the very culprits of child molestation, unwanted pregnancies which lead to abortions and human rights violations for both women and children.
I am a practicing Catholic and I continue to heed to Catholic views as much as I can, but these proven cases (please don’t tell me they were not proven, money has been exchanged many times over by the Church to victims) make me wonder why I should I believe the call for the anti-RH bill. Priests too are the ones who are asking us to believe in their cause, yet priests inflict the same abuses seen in this video. Maybe once these abuses are properly explained to me and if someone is effectively done about it (not just paying off poor victims, mind you, I know how deep the pockets go in the Vatican), then there might be a chance that most people will believe in your call against the RH Bill.
I wonder, what if the Catholic Church put as much money and effort to fight Child and Women abuse among it’s priests as they do today with the anti-RH bill? I guess then there won’t too many people deciding to leave the Catholic Church like what is happening in past decades.
Please explain.
jmadzification
8 April 2011
@PLEASE EXPLAIN
Pwede ba let’s stick to the video? And what kind of arguument is that? Is that even an argument valid sa video na ito? Priests are human beings too. There are some rotten ones, and the church is not blind to that. They are doing things about it. Even the Pope has spoken about it and deplored it. He has sanctioned those who have been proven to have done wrong.
Has it ever occured to you that the CHURCH is more than just one person? That a lost priest does not necessarily equate to the CHURCH? My goodness.
Have you ever heard of Caritas Manila? Or the Gawad Kalinga? They’re all catholic oriented. Or how about the innumerable social activities/works of mercy in different parishes scattered across the nation? May hinigi ba silang pondo mula sa Government? Or how about the number of women and children who has sought spiritual guidance, hope and refuge from the church in times of their personal/emotional difficulties? Isnt that important too?
Please stick to the issue. The issue here is the RH Bill not the Church.
Truthsayer
8 April 2011
Thank you for comment, Please Explain.
Yes, abuse is a big problem. However, we need to keep in mind that it’s a SOCIETAL problem, not a Church problem per se. The only reason that people are much more aware of the Church problem is because it’s media fodder and any abuse related to priests and the Church is much more likely to get attention (and boost news sales) than abuse in an ordinary household or small town where the people are unknown. Priestly sex abuse worldwide is a VERY small percentage of all sexual abuse cases. There are larger numbers of Protestant sex abuses, but do you see those in the news? There are larger numbers of people in authority abusing kids and women but those aren’t given as much attention. Also, sexual abuse stats went up as more and more people insist that sex isn’t for married people only. As extramarital and premarital sex became more and more acceptable, sexual deviancy also became more acceptable and in most cases these days, even celebrated and encouraged. Just look at our media. Hence the Church problem with sex is just a reflection of what’s going in the outside world. The Church is made up of imperfect people just like you and me. Priests are just as prone to temptation as the average Joe, in fact probably even more so than the average Joe, since priests are in a position where they are more prone to attack.
All that said, however, priestly abuse is irrelevant in this discussion because passage of the RH bill will affect all Filipinos, not just victims of abuse, priestly or otherwise. Just because a law is good for certain segments of the population doesn’t mean it’s good for the whole.
And don’t discount the fact that while there are abusive priests, there are many many more that are faithful to the call of leading and protecting God’s sheep. We do not write off the whole of humanity just because a small percentage became criminals. There is still much good in the world, just as there are still enough good priests out there that deserve our prayers and support. (And even the bad ones need our prayers, just like we need to pray for all sinners, including ourselves!)
Remember also that opposing the RH bill is not just a Church or priestly cause. Those of us who fight against it do so because we don’t want this legislation that in our informed opinion will not benefit us as Filipinos, as women, as parents, as families. If anything it will decimate our identity.
Before you make charges about what the Church isn’t doing, remember that WE are the Church, not just the priests, the bishops, or the Pope. Our priests and bishops are there to merely guide us, but they cannot do the work alone. For every abuse case you read about, ask yourself — did this happen because of the Church, or did this happen because of the decay in our society? The decay in society is something we are ALL responsible for. What do you expect from a society that celebrates violence, misogyny, casual sex, oversexualization of children, overdependence on media, etc.? These are societal ills. It’s just easy to use the priests or the Church as scapegoat.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Heart Castillo
23 May 2011
Well, to hell with your Catholic Churches… why are you always meddling in the affairs of the state. You question why the media gives much attention to Catholic priests’ sexual abuses? Don’t you think it is because your church is very “noisy” … and your churches want that bad publicity. If the protestants’ abuses don’t make it to newspapers it is because they are not ‘noisy’ … they are not known in their hypocritical role modeling.
Truthsayer
11 April 2011
http://www.catholicleague.org/nytstraighttalk.php
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/decline-in-new-sex-abuse-allegations
timothy2011
26 April 2011
The Catholic Church is spending most of its money on helping the victims of abuse and stopping the abusers. There is an even larger problem than abuse by priests. This is incestuous abuse by relatives — dads, moms, siblings, cousins, uncles, aunts. The number and frequency of incestuous abuse of minors far outweighs the violations of clergy (which, must also be addressed assiduously) yet our government seems to do very little about this. Most of the abusing priests were abused themselves by close relatives. I think that this is the root of the evil of sexual abuse — being sexually abused by one’s own parents or other close relatives. When will the government step-up its social service programs to address this larger problem?
homi
8 April 2011
Stop spreading disinformation. The video is claiming that conception begins at fertilization, but the purpose of contraceptives is to prevent fertilization, so therefore there is no abortion to speak of. Stop spreading these lies. Read the RH bill, it says nothing about abortion. Shame on you. Spreading lies is NOT a Christian trait.
Felipe Florentino
8 April 2011
So when does conception start? Can you please tell me where?
Pat
8 April 2011
obviously conception starts when the mother is pregnant, isn’t that obvious?
its not the moment of fertilization that matters, its the time of implantation, otherwise who would be pregnant in when the egg is fertilized for IVF? the petri-dish?
FYFL
8 April 2011
It is not the moment of fertilization that matters? By your statement, what would implant, then, an egg or a sperm? Fertilization matters. And the fact that the embryo is able to implant by itself means that is a living human embryo with its own life. Like you when you were still an embryo. Why, if some hormone or device stopped you from implanting in your biological mother’s womb, you wouldn’t be here. You’re alive today because you implanted in your mother’s womb.
MarkMayoMagallanes
9 April 2011
I think that in itself is an irrelevant question because his point clearly states that there is no conception because the sperm and the egg has not met hence fertilization. Let me answer the question for him… fertilization is the start of conception. It means that if its even in the petri-dish, its still conception even if artificial. So to speak, there is no abortion if there has not been fertilization.
Anita Alisaca
8 April 2011
How “The Pill” works as an Abortifacient
http://www.youtube.com
This video is an animation showing how the contraceptive pill sometimes causes embryonic abortions. To read more about the mechanics of “The Pill” visit: http://www.epm.org/articles/bcp3300.html To learn more about alternatives to taking “The Pill” visit: 1. Natural Family Planning
BKOH
8 April 2011
We are not the ones spreading lies. We aim to inform the truth. We don’t beat around the bush. Funny, the truth hurts.
MarkMayoMagallanes
9 April 2011
But, there indeed is misinformation there. Here is your arch-adversary’s reply to that video… http://www.likhaan.org/content/lying-cause. Don’t get me wrong, I am in no way connected to Likhaan but I just saw it in their website.
From Mod: Mark, make sure you read constantcrusader’s response below. He’s the video producer.
FYFL
8 April 2011
Let me repost what I wrote in reply to another comment. It is not true that the RH bill says NOTHING about abortion. The RH Bill is about abortion. The RH bill includes “management of post-abortion complications” in its guiding principles (9th principle) and lists “management of abortion complications” as the 3rd element of reproductive health. The RH bill includes “hazards of abortion” in RH education(Section 16, 10th topic). In national crisis situations (devastations, calamities) while people are already suffering, the RH bill still wants “management of post-abortion complications”. In the RH bill, “management of post-abortion complications” is considered a reproductive right. You cannot say the RH bill is not about abortion. If it were not about abortion, these phrases shouldn’t even be in the bill at all. And what about the “post-abortion complication” of the baby who was aborted? The “complication” to the baby is death. Abortion remains a crime wherein the victim is the baby in the womb. That’s why abortion is in the Revised Penal Code under Crimes against Persons.
MarkMayoMagallanes
9 April 2011
“management of post-abortion complications” >>> This does not mean condoning abortion but caring for the women who have been victims of illegal abortion. I am vehemently anti-abortion but your misinformation of saying that the RH Bill is about abortion is clearly nonsensical. This bill does not allow abortion but seeks to help women who had complications using it. Jesus Christ does see this act as murder but at the same time, He also sees these women as victims needing of His grace. Sadly, the Roman Catholic Church is quick to judge but slow to realize and move that these women also need not just physical help but emotional and spiritual help with understanding and compassion even as they may be imprisoned.
jmadzification
9 April 2011
@MarkMayo
“I am vehemently anti-abortion but your misinformation of saying that the RH Bill is about abortion is clearly nonsensical. This bill does not allow abortion but seeks to help women who had complications using it. ”
How about the abortifacient use of the PILL and the IUD? How about data showing that an increase of contraceptive use results to an increase number of abortions? Management of post-abortion complications is fine. But where is the punitive part of punishing women who underwent illegal abortion?
It’s like saying…. “It’s okay to have an abortion illegaly, scarce taxpayers money will pay for the complications, and voila! you can go free! See you on your next abortion complication!”
And you claim the RH Bill in not about abortion? or even indirectly? Nonsensical?
THINK AGAIN!
FYFL
11 April 2011
Mark Mayo Magallanes: what about the unborn baby’s life? In my experience of counselling women who have committed abortion, first and foremost, they ask and receive forgiveness from the Lord Jesus, but the only way they can experience complete healing from the burden of guilt they have from their abortion is by them acknowledging the humanity of their unborn baby and acknowledging the horror of what they have done. They do this through giving a name to their baby, doing symbolic funeral or burial rites for their baby, writing symbolic letters to their baby asking for forgiveness. the RH bill makes no mention at all about the victim of abortion, the baby, who was also created in the image of God just like his/her mom was. The RH bill also does not mention any emotional or spiritual “help” being given to women, only physical help in instances of complications. I maintain that the RH bill is about abortion because it specifies abortion as a cause of complications, and in its guiding principles and elements of reproductive health at that. I maintain that management of post-abortion complications should not be in the bill at all if the bill were not about abortion. I maintain that the RH bill condones abortion because in spite of abortion being illegal, the RH bill will make management of its complications legal, and a right at that.
FYFL
11 April 2011
homi: there is no disinformation in this video. The moment of fertilization is also called conception. According to the book Essentials of Human Embryology by WJ
Larsen(1998), “The male and female sex cells or gametes unite at fertilization to initiate the embryonic development of a new individual. Fertilization takes place in the oviduct resulting in the formation of a zygote containing a single diploid nucleus. Embryonic development is considered to begin at this point. This moment of zygote formation may be taken as the beginning or zero time point of embryonic development.” I don’t think Larsen is lying or spreading disinformation.
Contraceptives like hormonal contraceptives and IUDs do not just prevent fertilization (pre-fertilization effect) but also have a post-fertilization effect. It is actually disinformation to say that contraceptives in general only prevent fertilization. In fact, James Trussell and Beth Jordan, editors of the peer-reviewed reproductive health journal Contraception, said in 2006 that “To make an informed choice,women must know that emergency contraceptive pills — like all regular hormonal contraceptives such as the birth control pill, the progestin-containing implant and the injectable depot medroxyprogesterone acetate, may prevent pregnancy by delaying or inhibiting ovulation, inhibiting fertilization, or inhibiting implantation of a fertilized egg in the endometrium.” Trussell and Jordan don’t deny that hormonal contraceptives inhibit implantation of a fertilized egg, a zygote, which is a living human. They plainly say that hormonal contraceptives don’t just prevent fertilization but have a post-fertilization action on the zygote. Authors Stanford and Mikolajczyk who wrote “Mechanisms of action of intrauterine devices: update and estimation of postfertilization effects” in the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology in 2002 also stated “both prefertilization and postfertilization mechanisms of action contribute significantly to the effectiveness of all types of intrauterine devices”.Therefore, this video by Filipinos for Life is not spreading lies. These researchers I quoted have pointed out that hormonal contraceptives and intrauterine devices do have a post-fertilization effect. I don’t think they are lying or spreading disinformation.
timothy2011
26 April 2011
Stop lying Homi. Lying is not a Christian virtue. The pills and the IUDs also have an abortifacient mechanism of action by preventing implantation of the fertilized egg. This action is document in the monographs of the pills and IUDs in the Physician’s Desk Reference, which is accessible to the public on the internet.
ernie busgi
8 April 2011
this is deception. where in the bill does it say na pwede na ang abortion. may batas na sa pilipinas laban sa abortion so please do not confuse people. matagal ng merong contraceptives sa pilipinas bakit bigla na lang kayong naging very concerned. mas importante ba ang tao ngayon kaysa noon.
Anita Alisaca
8 April 2011
How “The Pill” works as an Abortifacient
http://www.youtube.com
This video is an animation showing how the contraceptive pill sometimes causes embryonic abortions. To read more about the mechanics of “The Pill” visit: http://www.epm.org/articles/bcp3300.html To learn more about alternatives to taking “The Pill” visit: 1. Natural Family Planning
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Anita Alisaca
8 April 2011
@ Erinike:Yon nga eh matagal ng merong contraceptives sa Pilipinas at hindi ito illegal no?!! At bakit gusto ninyong gawing BATAS??? eh unconstitutional yan ah…>kasi hindi pinahalagahan ang freedom naming mgaBabaeng Katoliko na AYAW SA CONTRACEPTION AT AYAW NAMIN NA ANG MGA BUWIS NAMIN GAMITIN UPANG MAPALAGANAP ANG ISANG MALING IDEOLOHIYA NA GALING PA MAN DIN SA BANYAGANG KULTURA AT ISIP….
BKOH
8 April 2011
@Ernie Busingi : Do ask why “they” need to decriminalize abortion. Ask CRP of EngendeRights.
Momoro
8 April 2011
Any ideas guys kung sino ang pasimuno at nagsusulong ng RH BILL? Please do some research kung ano ang stand nila sa abortion bago natin sabihin misinformation yang video. OK? God Bless to all who will seek the truth.
Anita Alisaca
8 April 2011
likewise, here’s a paper about sterilization by vaccination:
UNICEF Nigerian Polio Vaccine Contaminated with Sterilizing Agents Scientist Finds | LifeSiteNews.co
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Maria Vismin Phillipis
8 April 2011
@Brian
You are funny, I’m not even sure if you know what BOBO is aside from the fact that you are. Have you heard the word abortifacient? Of course not, now give yourself a favor and read so you won’t appear too much witless. Have respect for yourself.Please.
@raff,
Don’t ever brag you are a Catholic as YOU ARE NOT. If you were, you must be on the side of the Church. It demonstrates you worship YOURSELF not the Catholic Church. Your LIES don’t work here, we don’t think as you do.
@Rax Gallego
That’s quite exact of describing yourself. Should you wan’t me to add more? I’d be glad to help.
@Homi..
No wonder you read and watched the vid, now stop writing pointless comments. If you have nothing GOOD to say and you are not happy with your life, leave the rest of the people at peace. You are makign your very own self miserable.
@ernie.
You need reading really. You are confused and have been manipulated, are you that slow?
Whew! I don’t understand why is it that people are so DESPERATE to get a free condoms and birth controls. Are they dying? Or just paid to do so. Yes, they are.
The video is great. It is an example of great research and study. These facts are valid and very helpful to those who believe in the TRUTH. Thank you for vid, more power to the intelligent Filipinos who oppose the RH Bill!
and I say NO TO RH BILL!
Jean
8 April 2011
Great video! I can’t imagine the bigger umbrella behind this RH BILL. Indeed it is EUGENICS- trying to depopulate the POOR and the Filipinos. I believe we all deserve a LIFE even though how poor we are. RH Bill is such an ANTI-LIFE and ANTI-POOR Bill!
These birth controls are deadly aside from the long term effects such as cancer. And making this a LAW is as like slowly killing the Filipino women.
We deserve better health, women specifically, and I believe as a woman I have the right to say NO to RH Bill, which is just a way of killing me softly! (sounds like a song hehehe!)
I hope people will learn to open their eyes to the TRUTH that this 3 Billion Budget using the Filipino taxpayers money is CORRUPTION! The Filipino people need JOBS and INCOME, not certainly, contraceptives.
Let’s fight Corruption! No to RH Bill!
Marie
8 April 2011
I rarely can find decent videos presenting valid facts. Lots of trashy vids are all over the place and I’m thankful for this group of Filipinos coming up with this opposing the RH Bill.
We are in a modern world and seems people have lost the value of RESPECT and GOOD DISPOSITION especially on the net. I can see the kind of those who have kept and maintain their values for the common good!
Go Filipinos who fight for the Truth and are standing for the rest of the Catholics! Mabuhay Kayo!
jmadzification
8 April 2011
Obviously people who are PRO RH dont know what they’re saying. Masyado nag mamagaling ang mga tao na ang alam nila ang contraceptives dont lead to abortion dahil it prevents fertilization. They dont actually think Anti-Rh now that, but the difference is, Anti-RH knows further that certain contraceptives like the PILL and the IUD prevents the implantation of a fertilized egg. A fertilized egg mean CONCEPTION! So ano ba nangyayari kung hindi makaimplant ang fertilized egg…. ABORTION!
Sana bago mag maggaling ang mga PRO RH, magbasa muna sila. Huwag nila husgahan ang mga anti-rh na sunod sunuran lang sa simbahan! hello?! Obviously mas maraming anti-RH ang marunong magisip at makipagdebate ng tama. Sa mga sagot palang sa taas, halata na ang mga hindi nila alam sinasabi nila. Pwede ba, sa kabutihan ng lahat, magbasa muna tayo tungkol sa mga bagay bagay bago tayo magpadala sa sinasabi ng iba?
Obviously, PRO RH people are the ones MISINFORMED. Tragically, they believe the deceptions of the PILL, CONDOM Monggers! Open your minds people!
paolo apostol
8 April 2011
Totoo bang para sa kababaihan ang RH Bill? Pro-Women? Pro-Mother? Pro-Child? Pro-Health? Lahat ng kasagutan dito ay HINDI.
Sapagkat ang RH Bill ay nagsusulong ng ibang pamamaraan ng “pagtulong” sa mga buntis sa pamamagitan ng mga GAMOT na alam naman natin na nakalalason hindi lamang sa nabubuong buhay sa sinapupunan ng ina, kundi pati na rin sa katawan ng nagdadalantao. Ang mga gamot na gagamitin (kung matatawag man itong gamot) ay sumisira sa natural na proseso ng paghinog o pagtuyot ng isang babae. Ginugulo nito ang normal na pagtakbo o ritmo ng katawan. Nilalason ang pangangatawan ng babae upang hindi matuloy ang pagbubuntis o pagkabuo ng buhay sa kanyang katawan. Ito ang isinusulong ng RH Bill bilang alternatibong “paggagamot” o, sa maikling salita, PAGLASON SA KATAWAN NG BABAE.
SuperMom
8 April 2011
The writer of “The Pinoy Connection – Lying for a Cause” is really an ignorant person. Imagine, he cannot even make a proper connection why the photo is included in the video. tsk tsk. Have you even bothered to read what the article ” Sarkozy’s Secret Plan for Mandatory Swine Flu Vaccination” was all about? DECEPTION & LIES! Isn’t that what this RH Bill is all about? Lies, lies, and more lies. Health Bill? Nah, it IS really about DEPOPULATION AGENDA by Eugenics and communists? Vaccination? haven’t you researched this as well? Tetanus vaccination is laced with anti-contraceptive medication. Go do your homework PROPERLY Gabriel Alexander, or you might fail again. Readers, don’t be fooled by this ANTI LIFER. We cannot and must not be fooled by them.
GO PRO LIFE!
NO TO RH BILL.
TOGETHER WE STAND!!!
jmadzification
8 April 2011
Beware of these young misguided, ungodly, pseudo-intelligent Freethinkers.
They talk as if they’re so smart. They rationalize and argue in the basis of flawed logic, distorting the truth and lacing it with snippets of history to back their false claim. People shouldn’t take them seriously. They don’t really care about anything but to prove they think better than the rest, atheists and agnostics as they are.
NO TO RH BILL!
MarkMayoMagallanes
9 April 2011
Atheist? Agnostic? Have you ever heard of the Philippine Council of Evangelical Churches which supports the RH Bill? http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150102202066919
Think first and be discerning before you assume.
jmadzification
9 April 2011
@MarkMayo
ummmmm…. I was referring to the FILIPINO FREETHINKERS. There is such a group. You can google about them.
I think. I read. There is no need for discernment here. I was said that as a matter of fact.
I dont assume. Unfortunately MarkMayo, you just did.
Binibini
8 April 2011
Gosh! It’s so shocking! I was tongue tied to see the truth and it’s so heartbreaking seeing lives taken that way. That is so devastating, I can’t let this happen to us.
Life is beautiful and I can’t get it why people abhor murder , yet they say YES to killing the unborn and for them it’s fine! Why? Why the selfishness? Do they even know that Birth controls do kill?
These can lead to chemical abortion and I heard that the more people who use contraceptives, the more they are prone to abortion. It’s a sad fact and we have to learn from what happened to America.
I hope more people will really have the HEART and eradicate hatred in their lives. I’ve met many people who hate the church and I don’t know if they do, hate HITLER, too. How about Margaret Sanger who initiated birth control?. She believed some don’t deserve a life and she’s passing her legacy through RH in the Philippines.
Will we allow these Anti-Life RH people treat the FILIPINOS this way? NO WAY! We deserve to expand our race even we are POOR! And never we will allow this RH Bill use the taxpayers money to put the lives of Filipino women in danger and making them murderer! We are a Catholic Country, we should respect LIFE and so we should PROTECT OURSELVES!
REJECT the RH Bill!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Justin Aquino
8 April 2011
Both sides aim to defend their concepts of a proper human life. To accuse one party of being “for Death” is socially and intellectually irresponsible at best, and hampers civilized discourse. That said, this video was plagued with fallacious arguments, but is harmless to the truly educated.
@Maria Phillipis: You seem to be attacking people’s characters in a labored attempt to invalidate their opinions. I’ve seen that tactic used to great effect. In school children. And you proselytize with an air of entitled self-righteousness that would make even the most delusional prophet blush. Next time, however, if you’re going to force an opinion and insult people while you’re at it, do brush up on your grammar. If you can’t bring matter to your argument, you might as well get your manner right. But maybe you don’t appreciate conventional English, so here are your own cobbled-up phrases to guide you, “You need reading really… Now give yourself a favor and read so you won’t appear too much witless. Have respect for yourself.Please.” (sic)
jmadzification
8 April 2011
@justin aquino
“That said, this video was plagued with fallacious arguments, but is harmless to the truly educated.”
Can you please elaborate on the “fallacious arguments” instead attacking one’s grammar? Your pseudo-intelligence is despicable. That cloud of words you used is irrelevant to the video, devoid of any logical argument.
Stick to the issues in the video and stop pretending to intelligent. It’s not working. =)
Maria Vismin Phillipis
8 April 2011
@Justin Aquino.
Oh, I’m terribly sorry my English gave you a headache, didn’t it? You seem to be very good at…….yourself! I’m happy at least I can still say I have better disposition than you do. Call it, self-righteous, I am.
Thank you much the very many! 
May I ask what kind of person believes in an immoral bill?
( wait, is my sentence correct?it took me five minutes to complete this)
@Maria Phillipis: You seem to be attacking people’s characters in a labored attempt to invalidate their opinions.
@Justin Aquino again
You seem to be attacking people’s characters due to their faulty grammar.
I know how you feel, the truth hurts and I can understand that video must have slapped your face… you need to “release” your tension. Or you better reconsider your STAND, if it doesn’t make you feel BETTER, then you must be in the WRONG SIDE.
Tell me when the tide is turns
Go PRO-LIFE?………..soon?
Brian Vargas
9 April 2011
Hey truthsayer check this out. Also, everyone.
http://www.likhaan.org/content/lying-cause
jmadzification
9 April 2011
@Brian Vargas
ALAM MO BA:
1) LIKHAAN.ORG – Is an organization funded by PLANNED PARENTHOOD? PLANNED PARENTHOOD is the biggest contraceptive and abortion provider in the United States and the world?
2)Did you even bother out checking Filipino Freethinkers (College students Atheists/Agnostics)? From which this Likhaan copied this article?
3)Have you read about Margaret Sanger? Founder of Planned Parenthood that funds Likhaan? BLOOD MONEY IN THEIR HANDS!
4)The picture was just to demonstrate vaccinations. May article mismo sa video pointing out toactual vaccinations to make people sterile
5)Wala na bang pwede makitang hindi tama sa video kundi yung picture na yun? So ibig sabihin lahat yon tama!
Wake up! Don’t be fooled by groups aiming to get funding to enrich themselves in expense of the unborn! Likhaan has to deliver this bill for Planned Parenthood to be happy. It’s time for planned parenthood to get back it’s investments to Likhaan, in the expense of the FILIPINO UNBORN CHILD!
NO TO DECEPTION! STICK TO THE FACTS! NO TO RH BILL!
Truthsayer
9 April 2011
Brian, what you’re doing is spamming. Unacceptable behavior.
Truthsayer
9 April 2011
That’s the best you/they can come up with, Brian? One picture? Any comments on the rest of the content?
ren
9 April 2011
Someone here mentioned Caritas Manila and Gawad Kalinga, the implication being most (if not all) of the religiously affiliated institutions do only unquestionably good work and should be respected as free from error. But as a YFC member from high School to college, a GK worker for one year and having parents who attend cell meetings at Worldwide Marriage Encounter, I’ve grown up observing how religious institutions have a tendency to discriminate which leads to ill social effects.
When pregnant students in Catholic schools are kicked out with little compassion and less chances for life options, when gays are prevented from forming a political party and oppressed all over the world for religious reasons, when close-mindedness and bigotry prevail in our familial relations due to the recent generation’s crop of ‘manang-sarado-Katolikos,’ when our pew donations are used for other things (like newspaper ads) than the upkeep of the poor, it is always worth saying that the Church does not only commit mistakes, it tends to make unjustifiable compromises to preserve its doctrines.
I was born and raised Catholic, but I do not approve of this. And neither would most if they could speak out without retribution from their peers. The Anti-Discrmination Law, The Magna Carta for Women and the RH Bill have one thing in common: they are answers to discrimination (which can become human rights violations) outside of the Catholic sphere. I’m already of the opinion that the Church deliberately chooses to maintain its place in the status quo by not publicly acknowledging how they’re compromising people for the sake of power. If it’s true that the end does not justify the means, it has a lot to answer for.
jmadzification
9 April 2011
@Ren
Your long rambling of your problem with what you say as “unjustifiable compromises to preserve its doctrines” is illogical to say the least. Ano kinalaman ng simbahan sa mga pinagbabanggit mo?
You complain about discrimination and bigotry. You want equal protection of the law. Fairness to all. But regretabbly you dont see or downright blind to the discrimination and bigotry in this RH bill. Why is it always have to be the Church? Bakit ganun, why are you people making this an issue about the Church? The Church is there to guide it’s flock. That’s what she does. And there’s no need to talk about it’s own doctrines. The RH bill is contrary to Natural Law!
The Church has only God to answer for. Stop bugging them and answer the damn questions PRO PEOPLE are asking. Hindi lahat ng PROLIFE ay katoliko. Hindi lahat ng Prolife ay part ng Simbahan.
I’m in the opinion na haven’t actually read the bill. I’m in the opinion that you have been misinformed and deceived by mainstream media.
Freedom and choice is for everybody, catholic or non-catholic, christian or non christian. This is RH BILL is discriminatory and limits choice.
NO TO DECEPTION! NO TO RH BILL!
timothy2011
26 April 2011
Ren,
I wen to a prominent Catholic college in Manila. Several of my batchmates became pregnant throughout my four years there. None of them were kicked-out. All of them were given time to stop school, give birth, and care for their babies, without prejudice to their schooling. In fact, our school even helped some of them who needed help with finances. All of them finished college at the same school. Tell me, which Catholic schools have kicked-out single expectant mothers?
SuperMom
9 April 2011
@ Brian Vargas…so? care to expound on the article you posted? can’t you at least explain point by point why you post the likhaan (imagination) article? i believe the article is a fiction of the writer’s twisted mind. don’t you agree people?
SuperMom
9 April 2011
I CONGRATULATE the maker of this video. You were successful in communicating to the Filipino people why RH Bill and its proponents and supporters are flawed in their logic. May you spread more TRUTHS and INFORMATION to the “masa”.
NO TO RH BILL.
RH BILL IS KILL BILL.
NO WAY!
NO CHANCE!!!
Brian Vargas
9 April 2011
Hey supermom, check this out. http://rhbillph.wordpress.com/2011/03/03/churchs-stance-on-rh-bill-more-like-edsa-or-more-like-the-rizal-bill/
And most importantly this.
http://rhbillph.wordpress.com/rh-bill-text/
Open your eyes, supermom. Read it with an open mind. Don’t close it with prejudice and bigotry.
ren
9 April 2011
@jmadz
Look up Rules of Conduct on the upper right side of this page. It says something about personal attacks.
Moderators, are you paying attention to this? You own people might be your own undoing.
Truthsayer
9 April 2011
Ren — sorry, must have missed something. Please point out the personal attack and we’ll reprimand jmadz, thanks.
abrahamvllera
9 April 2011
I’ve tussled with a lot of anti-life spawn, but I’ve never met such a pinhead as brian vargas obviously is. Worse, he doesn’t engage, he keeps on repeating his link. Ban this worm.
SuperMom
10 April 2011
Agree with your observation Abraham. He might be somebody hired by a local NGO with hidden agendas to respond to discussions like this by putting their links and sites. he can’t engage cause mabubuko sila. i wonder if they were also hired to create lots of troll accounts to unlike videos they find that promotes LIFE. hmmmm….thinking about them reminds me of a slogan “may pera sa basura” p q
Shane
9 April 2011
Hi Ren,
Why do you get edgy, are you that sensitive when the matters affect you? This is a problem actually, the Catholics have their own set of rules and discipline that we are being encouraged to follow as it’s people. And I don’t understand why such kind of people as you, insist the Church to have to bend to what you do! Seems you want the church to do whatever you want.
Is it not the Church which follows the people , it’s the people who follow the church. And if you cannot follow the church, why can’t you just go away? Don’t ask the church to change for you. And if you don’t like, why destroy the church anyway? Have a life and be free.
You have both the freewill and the freedom to do as you please. You should be thankful being Catholic is much modern as the rest of other religions. Have you heard of strong rituals and strict discipline of others even in what to eat and wear? That maybe too hard for us, but WE DO RESPECT THEM.
Have you raised in a family of discipline of rules and love? Basically we should understand why the discipline is practiced not attack them. Even the Atheists have their own religions which they themselves don’t admit and that’s acting like GOD. Turning things all in their favor, everybody is wrong, I am right, everybody must change, should do this. Attack, attack, attack.
Go home in peace, people respect more solitude in their found religions regardless of denomination, if you can’t relate you certainly have never ever believed. Except your very own self.
And yes, you are NOT a Catholic.
ren
9 April 2011
@Shane
You’re basically saying, “Live and let live. And if you’re not for us, you’re against us.” You just contradicted yourself.
I’m sorry but if you look closely at what I said, these were instances when the Church did overstep its bounds and trample on civil liberties. Anybody in a democratic country has a say in that. And if you have the decency that comes with the strict codes of conduct and discipline you mentioned, you ought to start correcting your internal issues for everyone’s sake. I say the institution makes mistakes because your actions don’t just affect your flock. It also affects people who believe otherwise. Everyone knows you still have the gall to impose your beliefs on people who could care less. It isn’t time for you to say live and let live just yet.
Jesus spoke of love and compassion for your neighbors. While there’s discrimination caused directly by your institutions’ actions, there will be people who will point out the fact that we can’t accept that happening in a civilized society.
jmadzification
9 April 2011
@ren
You said “…instances when the Church did overstep its bounds and trample on civil liberties”. Can you please be specific on the times the church did this instead of making unfounded genaralized statements?
You keep on crying for the stop of discrimination and bigotry, yet you blatantly do it. Let me quote you on the things you said….
1)”Anybody in a democratic country has a say in that.” – So you think the Church is not part of that “anybody” word you just said? That it should just shut up? Isn’t that discrimination? Isn’t that bigotry?!
2)”I say the institution makes mistakes because your actions don’t just affect your flock.” – Has it ever occured to your “intelligent” mind that your actions don’t affect us as well? You’re basically complaining that if it affects you, it’s unfair. But if you do something, and it affects others, it’s okay. Isn’t that discrimination? Isn’t that bigotry?!
3)”Everyone knows you still have the gall to impose your beliefs on people who could care less. It isn’t time for you to say live and let live just yet.” – My goodness! Should i even expound on these words of yours?! Don’t you think YOU are also imposing your beliefs here? It’s like saying the church should shut up and allow people like you to impose yours! where the heck is the logic there?!
You keep complaining on discrimination and bigotry, yet you yourself indulge in it!…. Maybe it’s time to ask yourself if YOU are the one whose actually contradicting yourself.
FREEDOM IS FOR EVERYONE. CHOICE IS FOR ALL.
YOU AND THE CHURCH EQUALLY.
NO TO RH!
constantcrusader
9 April 2011
I am the one who made the video. Sadly, the only response I got from the other side about this video is the article mentioned somewhere in the comments here, LYING FOR A CAUSE.
Here is my official statement regarding that article.
In the said article, they accused us of purposely lying because in the video was a picture of a small kid being vaccinated. The video subtitle said it was sterilization and they point out that the picture was taken from another article regarding swine flu (?) and they go on ranting about this mistake, and how sterilizations are about vasectomy and ligations. They therefore concluded that we lied.
First of all, it is a given that I used pictures from all over the internet. Is this how Freethinkers are supposed to think? Cherry-pick on a small issue that is virtually a non-issue? That’s just shows the intellectual void between your ears. By focusing on that small point, they missed the larger point of the video. You miss the forest for the trees. But hey, let’s not stop them from doing their thing. They’re freethinkers after all. That is how they think.
Lastly, the article pointed out vasectomies and ligations as ways of sterilizations. Haven’t they heard of vaccines that were deliberately sterilized people? Try visiting this and read up: http://www.whale.to/m/sterile.html
I do hope they know better than to cherry pick and try to see the whole video for what it is to really understand what it says.
SuperMom
9 April 2011
@Truthsayer: Let’s see what link Brian Vargas will post next as his reply. hahahaha.
Shane
9 April 2011
@ren
I’m glad to hear from you speaking of love and compassion for neighbors but you have missed the very first commandment. Matthew 22: 37-40: And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment.
Here’s more. 1 Corinthians 13: 1-8, 13: If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient and kind; love is not jealous or boastful; it is not arrogant or rude.
No, I meant. LIVE YOUR FAITH.
No, You Cannot Be Catholic AND Pro-RH Bill.
http://filipinosforlife.com/2011/03/09/no-you-cannot-be-catholic-and-pro-rh-bill/
Moira
10 April 2011
I don’t understand how this video went from the RH Bill to Hitler. What was the objective of that? “the natural order of thing?? I don’t see a valid connection to the RH bill. Was it meant to give a bigger impact and scare those who are watching? Can someone please explain?
Contraception will not lead to more abortions, and stds…because it is already happening. Now I don’t have the exact figures. If someone here is kind enough to share with me. Whether or not the RH bill will actually pass, a percentage of Filipinos will still get stds and women will undergo underground abortions, etc. etc. It’s a social disease. So I think its wrong to claim in this video, ” Contraceptive mentality leads to a rise in std….”
This bill serves greatly to educate and give free health services to Filipinos (especially for those who could not afford).
We cannot close our eyes and be blinded by what we think is right anymore. The youth today are smart. They are more responsible than most of you ANTI-RH bill think. They are also more liberated and free. I am not speaking for all youth of course. I’m just speaking for myself.
These contraceptives have been readily available for public consumption. Anyone with money and a little bit of knowledge (google: search) can buy them. But with the RH bill, responsible sex education is the key. Frankly we’re still a nation that has an Anti-contraceptive and condom mentality. And I commend the RH bill for trying to change this perspective. Even mentioning “condoms” in a drugstore would raise a few eyebrows. Why? Why would this raise eyebrows and be a cause of discrimination because you just want to protect yourself from stds and other diseases?
Unless there is a law that officially bans the selling and prescribing of contraceptives,( pills, condoms, injectables, IUDs, female condom etc.) , I would not care much if the RH bill is passed or not. I can always buy over the counter anyway. But i think this will the passing of the RH bill will matter to the uneducated , the under privilege with no money to spare.
No bill is perfect, but one down side i have with the RH is in the long run? I agree the birth rates in other countries have rapidly gone down because of their population control methods. Although not intended to control population, the RH bill may have a subconscious effect in society should contraceptives be available for FREE. Lower birth rates in the long run may happen in the Philippines, which would create problems in population in the future.
Well I guess that’s may 2 centavos…for now. Bring on the flames! I have my fire extinguisher ready.
jmadzification
10 April 2011
@MOIRA
“I don’t understand how this video went from the RH Bill to Hitler. What was the objective of that? “the natural order of thing?? I don’t see a valid connection to the RH bill. Was it meant to give a bigger impact and scare those who are watching? Can someone please explain?”
If you followed the line of thought of the video and did a litlle “googling” you’d notice the following:
1) Before the hitler thing, Margaret Sanger was introduced in video. Who is she? She’s an atheist who started PLANNED PARENTHOOD. She revolutionized birth control in the United States which evetually led to the legalization of Abortion in the US.
2) If you dug deeper, you’d also know she was in to Eugenics. Purification of the races through social intervention.
3) If you googled it further, you’d know that Hitler adopted Eugenics, to purify the german race from JEWS which eventually led to the Holocaust.
4) So what now? If you looked and studied the video before actually complaining about the irrelevance of things against your love of contraceptives, you’d notice that the LIKHAAN Women’s group pushing rabidly for this RH Bill, is being funded by PLANNED PARENTHOOD.
5) Now if your “intelligence” can take more, and did the decency of reading more, you’d notice PLANNED PARENTHOOD is in the verge of losing it’s federal funding from the US Government. The passing of this RH bill will alot 730M – 3 Billion scarce taxpayer’s money to fund this law.
Has it ever occured to you that maybe, just maybe… this RH Bill is more than just the acceptability of contraceptives in Philippine Society? Nobody is questioning your love for it! We are talking tabout FILIPINO TAXPAYERS MONEY! A SCARCE one at that! And you actually think the Philippines should give these for free? Eh simpleng mga antibiotic nga sa mga health centers which can save thousands of lives a day, walang budget?!
You have the audacity to claim that this bill will be beneficial to the uneducated. Has it ever occured to your bright mind that maybe FUNDS FOR EDUCATION are more important than this? Funds for education na up until now KULANG PA?! Gagastos ang gobyerno dyan, eh pwede gawin naman ng mga magulang ang pagturo ng sexual education sa kanilang anak. Libre pa!
Your altruistic/modernist views is contrary to the arguments you stated. Devoid of any analysis exepected of someone who seems to be educated.
And pleaase?!?! For you to say “Although not intended to control population, the RH bill…” Have you actually read the bill? Or have you also been a victim of manipulation and deception? Geesh!
constantcrusader
14 April 2011
Moira sorry if this is a little late. The video went from Sanger to Hitler just as an added supplement that somebody else used Sanger’s eugenics and got away with murdering 6 million jews.
Contraception does lead to abortion, and divorce, and drug abuse. Research up George Akerloff. He won the noble prize for that study that says the same thing. By the way he is agnostic, so don’t hope that he is just moralizing.
The_Filozopher
10 April 2011
Let’s talk about the RH Bill & see how much people read AND understood this portion.
There are a couple of risks that may misconstrue not the legalization but the tolerance of abortion. These points require attention & resolution:
SEC. 3 (m) states “While nothing in this Act changes the law on abortion, as abortion remains a crime and is punishable …, it contends with another clause of this Bill , Sec. 10. mentions “intrauterine devices” as an essential medicine despite its function of preventing the implantation of a fertilized ovum. (A fertilised ovum contains the fundamental & unique blueprint of an individual coming into being. Stem cell technology can also do the same thing. We were all at one time these organisms — living things — & they, like us, require protection which the RH Bill doesn’t extend or mention) The Philippine Constitution guarantees the rights of the unborn (which science supports human begins at conception). This firms my argument for the removal of Sec. 10 (Contraceptives as Essential Medicines — which they are not!) as well.
Sec. 4 (k) & (l) (o) Sec. 7 mentions “emergency obstetric care” which may be misinterpreted not as a legalization of abortion but a tolerance & acceptance of the practice, given the specific attention given to “emergencies” and not general obstetric care. (Emergency obstetric care is designed for responses when it is too late for the foetus. Comprehensive care monitors the process from the start & is proactive.) For this purpose, the portions mentioning “emergency” be replaced with “comprehensive” & be equipped as such, in order to be consistent with the purpose of reproductive health that the Bill claims.
abrahamvllera
10 April 2011
In a word, the video’s effective.
Truthsayer
10 April 2011
Just a reminder to everyone…. let’s keep the discussions civil, please. I know it’s frustrating when “the other side” doesn’t see our point, but charity at all times will help greatly. Remember that our goal is to educate each other and we should be as open to listening to the other side as we hope they are open to listen to us. I’ve deleted comments that have nothing but cuss words or name calling in them, and I will continue to do so. If you want to see your comment here, please put forth your arguments in as kind and charitable manner as you are capable of doing. Thanks much.
BKOH
10 April 2011
The video ignited the ire of 3 brands : guilty, uninformed and misinformed. Time is running out and I can’t blame them should their mother organizations whip the lash and say ” double/harvest time”. It makes me wonder how all of a sudden, these citizens are so concerned with the RH bill . I ‘m sorry but I don’t feel the sincerity.
I wonder how they understand “emergency obstetric care” ?
I’d also be thankful if one of them can explain to me the role of contraceptives to safe pregnancy and reproductive health. What is the safest method amongst all the contraceptives available?
I also would want to find out if they are aware of the movement from amongst their ilk to legalize abortion.
How is Likhaan sustained these days by the way?How about Rhan? I’d leave you with the 2.
Oops, I have to congratulate the Waraya group , too!
How active is Women’s Media Circle these days?
I would sincerely love to hear their side.
Aslie
10 April 2011
I am enthusiastically encouraging you to keep posting videos like this. You are most definitely helping the RH Bill get passed. Thank you very much!
jmadzification
12 April 2011
@ASLIE
“I am enthusiastically encouraging you to keep posting videos like this. You are most definitely helping the RH Bill get passed. Thank you very much!”
Oh yes we will! You can definitely count on that. It’s unbelievable you PRO RH people can’t engage. Comments like you posted are silly and pathetic to say the least. I suggest you wake up and turn sides. Is that the best argument you can give? Your reverse psychololgy trick isn’t and will not work. People are more informed now.
And yes, THE WILL NOT GET PASSED. Thanks to empty inspiring comemnts like yours. It’s obvious you people are speechless to the truth of it.
NEVER TO THE RH BILL!
lalala333
12 April 2011
You guys do know that the pills are described, and before you get it they inform you of the side effects. And if you get some side effects they advice you to stop, and maybe find one that is more suitable. Another thing is it does prevent cancer. They also advice you to stop taking the pill if yo find out you are pregnant. Actually, using the pill is not abortion, and it is because the sperm does can not implant itself in the egg, so how can that be abortion. The pill also helps women with irregular menstruation. The thing is, just because the RH bill mentions the word abortion, does not mean they are for abortion. I am against abortion, but having safe sex or using contraceptives may be good.
I don’t really think that just because you are a catholic you have to be against the RH bill.
Haggai de Cena
13 April 2011
Hello lalala333,
Regarding your concern about contraception and side effects and the connection of contraceptive pills and abortion, I suggest that you read these articles:
http://filipinosforlife.com/2011/02/09/breast-cancer-abortion-oral-contraceptive-link-i/
http://filipinosforlife.com/2011/02/09/breast-cancer-abortion-oral-contraceptive-link-ii/
jmadzification
13 April 2011
@lalala333
You said: “You guys do know that the pills are described, and before you get it they inform you of the side effects. And if you get some side effects they advice you to stop, and maybe find one that is more suitable. Another thing is it does prevent cancer. They also advice you to stop taking the pill if yo find out you are pregnant.”
LIES! : “While combined oral contraceptives, better known as The Pill, rank as Group I carcinogens according to a 2005 report released by the International Agency for Research on Cancer, an arm of the World Health Organization, doctors continue to routinely prescribe the pill for a variety of conditions, ranging from acne to birth control (American Cancer Society, 2008)….”
You said: “Actually, using the pill is not abortion, and it is because the sperm does can not implant itself in the egg, so how can that be abortion. The pill also helps women with irregular menstruation.”
LIES!: The two hormones in the combined oral contraceptive pill, oestrogen and progestogen work on several levels to prevent pregnancy. Primarily, the Pill works by stopping ovulation (the release of an egg from the ovary). If an egg is not released then of course conception cannot take place. As a back-up, the Pill also makes the mucus released by the cervix thicker so the sperm cannot get through and thins the lining of the uterus so a fertilised egg has difficulty implanting. Therefore, by it’s third action, it’s ABORTION. Do we have to elaborate on how this Pill can easily be abused when given out freely?
You said: “The thing is, just because the RH bill mentions the word abortion, does not mean they are for abortion. I am against abortion, but having safe sex or using contraceptives may be good.
I don’t really think that just because you are a catholic you have to be against the RH bill.”
LIES! : If the bill is not for abortion, why does is condone it? Where the heck is the PUNITIVE part of this bill for women undergoing ILLEGAL ABORTION? It may be good for YOU, but not for all.
Has it ever occured to you that not all catholics are not against this just because they are catholic? Has it ever occured to you that maybe…. just maybe, a lot of catholics read and know more about the social, scientific, economic and moral implications of this bill that’s why they oppose the bill?
Let’s drop the shallow “love or loyalty to catholic teaching arguments”, and stick to factual arguments based on research, historiy and scientific perspective why we oppose this bill. Afterall, the catholic sector isn’t the only one opposing this bill.
NO TO RH BILL!
Angela
13 April 2011
I guess some people are reacting strongly to this as they are users of contraceptives themselves. Of course, prior to the use, they were not informed about these facts especially on the effects of Pills and for time they have believed that they are just doing okay. They think the pills are in assistance and it might be as of helping others as well. This truth apparently is a shock and maybe a bit hard to accept.
However, I believe this Pro-Life video should be an eye opener. Regardless of the denial, this is indeed a relief and at least the video and those who oppose this RH Bill made them informed on the essential information they deserve. The choice is for those who would rather stay with their personal reasons or take their perspectives in a new light with no deceptions involve.
For the pill users, let me share this brief study:
“As you may have experienced yourself, when you first meet someone, there may be an immediate attraction. In fact, when people speak of “love at first sight,” what they really mean is that they feel an immediate surge of emotion when they meet a person of the opposite sex.
A CHEMICAL ATTRACTION can occur between a male and a female as a result of hormones called pheromones, which are exchanged through the olfactory nerves – that is, our sense of smell. The more a male and female are biologically compatible (able to reproduce with each other), the more likely they will be attracted to each other. Couples with different genes are usually more biologically compatible.
“Scientists at the University of Liverpool published a new study showing that the birth control pill can dramatically affect this natural phenomenon. The study found that “when the women started taking the Pill, their preferences shifted towards the scent of men with more similar genes to their own.”
What does this mean? It means that there is mounting evidence that the pill can seriously DISTURB a woman’s healthy, natural tendency to be drawn toward a mate with different immune system genes. This, in turn, can lead to having a genetically similar mate, which increases the risk of infertility and miscarriages.
This leads to yet another very serious problem. Since a woman taking the pill is thus more likely to end up with a husband she wouldn’t naturally have chosen, when she decides to go off the pill, she may find she is not attracted to her husband any longer. Craig Roberts, the Liverpool study’s lead researcher, said, “It could ultimately lead to the breakdown of relationships when women stop using the contraceptive pill, as odour perception plays a significant role in maintaining attraction to partners.”
A similar study was conducted in 1995 by a German researcher, Claus Wedekind, at the University of Bern in Switzerland. Lionel Tiger, Ph.D., an author and the Charles Darwin Professor of Anthropology at Rutgers University, discussed Wedekind’s research in his book The Decline of Males. The women who were not on the birth control pill “preferred the scents of men socially regarded as desirable potential mates… However, women using oral contraceptives reversed [italics in the original] their preferences and chose inappropriate partners.”
more details here.
http://www.pewsitter.com/view_news_id_10883.php
Anyway, to make it simple. Can you imagine legalizing pills and can you anticipate how many women would suffer in the effects? Broken relationships? Surely, this is not a good way to help the poor or imposing population control especially that overpopulation is a plain myth claim by those who are in the business. After all, there is another option, NFA. Of course, we are talking about marital relationships per se. This RH is not limited to married couples, that makes this sexual bill worse. I should say then that RH is never better on insisting SEXUAL FREEDOM when it causes FAR MORE PROBLEMS. So WILL you pass the bill?
CERTAINLY NOT.
ren
13 April 2011
Truthsayer, I think you know this by now, but there’s a follow up article on the Filipino Freethinkers website called Lying For A Cause 2. It makes this video, and you, less and less credible the more they analyze it. Since you’re the moderator for this site, you can probably see this message but I doubt if you’ll approve it. It’s meant solely for you anyway.
So I’d like to ask, why did you lie? If you didn’t lie, why didn’t you bother to check your facts? This time around you’re not as quick to come up with a response. Is that why you set the video to private, so that the discussion regarding the flaws of your video doesn’t get talked about any more and then spare you the shame?
Truthsayer
19 April 2011
Link please, Ren?
And what did I lie about? Which facts did I not check up on?
Sorry, I’d respond but your comment is vague. Please clarify, I’ll be happy to answer.
No idea about a “private” video — again, link please? The video is still playing for me. Maybe you have a browser issue?
Devina Lera
13 April 2011
@ren
Are you that desperate you have to advertise your PAID CAUSE? And who’s lying? You Anti-Life, Anti-Poor RH have this beyond doubt of fables and who do you think will believe in your game? Oh, I almost forgot you need to work or else you won’t get paid.
Stop passing the buck, that’s obsolete.
lalala333
13 April 2011
Again, I think I trust my doctor than I trust those links. I know the possible side effects from the start, you are informed of the possible side effects. If the pill does not work out for you then you try another one, until you find a suitable one.
Another thing is it is not abortion. Because in my eyes abortion is when the egg and the sperm has met and has become a fetus,and then you remove it. A fertilized egg is not a baby, it needs the sperm to conceive a child.
I don’t think it ranks as a number one carcinogen, as if it were then it would have been forbidden now would it.
If the pill is for abortion, then why do they have the morning after pill?
Have you really done research or have you like the church changed information, so that people would be for your cause?
I actually think that a lot of catholics are against this, because of their church. If it wasn’t then why is the Rh bill included on some sermons?
I actually think that the bill is good for women, what about those married women who does not want children, but wants sex.
I don’t think the bill is for abortion, it’s just they help the people who has gone through abortion. You do know that there are some who have miscarriages and needs medical assistance?
Even before the bill, there have been a lot of women who has had abortions. Think of all those young teenage mothers, or those poor families that have 10 children or more and cannot even afford meals.
Truthsayer
19 April 2011
//I think I trust my doctor than I trust those links. //
good on you.
//A fertilized egg is not a baby, it needs the sperm to conceive a child.//
Honey, get your Biology 101 straight first. THEN and only then should you even consider taking pills.
//I don’t think it ranks as a number one carcinogen, as if it were then it would have been forbidden now would it.//
Tell that to the WHO, dear, they’re the ones who did the research. You might want to check their credentials too before you dismiss them so easily.
//If the pill is for abortion, then why do they have the morning after pill?//
Uhm, I thought you knew that there were different kinds of pills?
//Have you really done research or have you like the church changed information, so that people would be for your cause?
I actually think that a lot of catholics are against this, because of their church. If it wasn’t then why is the Rh bill included on some sermons?//
What information did the Church change?
The RH Bill is included in some sermons because sexual behavior is directly related to morality, of which the Church certainly has a lot to say, being as She is concerned with people’s ultimate end…. you know… heaven or hell, that kind of stuff.
//I actually think that the bill is good for women, what about those married women who does not want children, but wants sex.
I don’t think the bill is for abortion, it’s just they help the people who has gone through abortion. You do know that there are some who have miscarriages and needs medical assistance?//
Of course. You do know that there are also people who have induced abortions, and that Planned Parenthood and its minions have been helping them to procure these, even illegally, since the ’70′s?
//Even before the bill, there have been a lot of women who has had abortions. Think of all those young teenage mothers, or those poor families that have 10 children or more and cannot even afford meals.//
What do you think those people need more, food and jobs, or condoms?
Does the RH bill have any provisions for more job opportunities for people? (Besides the Family Planning Officers, that is.)
lalala333
20 April 2011
Oh, I know my biology, do you know yours?
Have you even read what WHO said? and I don’t think that all your sources are reliable enough.
you are also aware that the pill can both increase and decrease cancer.
Why don’t you guys make smoking illegal too. Because smoking definitely increases the risk of cancer
Heres what WHO said:
They regularly review
the safety of COCs and assess the balance
of risks and benefits of COC use and they
have determined that for most healthy
women, the health benefits clearly exceed
the health risks.
oh and did you forget that WHO is for family planning. but I don’t think that the pills are more dangerous than smoking, besides why would it be legal in richer countries who are clearly for the health benefits of their country men? They would not allow a thing that can be harmful to be used by their citizens. the risks are not as great as how you exaggerate it.
And there ARE different kinds of pills, so if you have a side effect you have to stop using it and find one that is suitable. And not everyone can take the pill, that is why before using it. they need to get you medical history first,.
Well I don’t think that having the bill would increase sexual morality, I mean are you stupid or what? There are a lot of young filipinos who are engaging in premarital sex already, and they have had unwanted pregnancies. you know all those young girls that have recently graduated from High School , or are still in High School. And what about those men and women who are not really separated but lives with their mistress or whatever. There are already a lot of sexual morality in it. maybe you are just blind. why didn’t they prevent those? why did they not include that in the sermon. with the pill or the bill, there won’t be anymore abortions. so in that way we wont be hearing of FETUSES thrown in the TRASH.
I dont think that the church has any say whether we will go to hell or not, if you engage in sex or whatever. It’s not for you or for the priests to decide. It is in fact GOD’s decision. you know he all loves us, and he is very forgiving, and in the end it is really him who decides if you deserve to go there or not. I dont think God is basing it on having premarital sex or whatever. And I think God consents it contraceptives, but it actually depends on the motive of the person. Of course if you use it to sleep around then it’s not really good, but if it is for family planning, then it is acceptable.
Children are a gift, and I don’t think God would like it if people just kept having children and would let them suffer.
The thing is, if the population increases we would definitely have a shortage of food, ever thought of that? Oh wait, it is actually happening already. you know those poor families that have like a dozen children, who you know starves and eats what? salt and a little bit rice?
If the population decreases, and those families have planned their parenthood, they would have a lot more of food to eat and maybe they’ll rise up from poverty because then the mouths they would feed would lessen. They can afford things better, and maybe have better jobs in the future.
Aslie
14 April 2011
Why all of a sudden the video is private?
ren
15 April 2011
Some people are getting creative. This one is almost the same, but not as private.
VDB
18 April 2011
And that’s how the cookie crumbles…
VDB
18 April 2011
Wait your using http://www.whale.to/m/sterile.html as a legitimate source of information!?
I am appalled at this site’s information gathering skills
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/06/the_nuttiness_that_is_whaleto.php
http://lowellhubbs.blogspot.com/2010/10/lowells-continual-use-of-conspiracy.html
Truthsayer
20 April 2011
//Oh, I know my biology, do you know yours?//
Please, convince me again. See above.
//you are also aware that the pill can both increase and decrease cancer.//
Yes. So breast cancer is better than ovarian cancer?
//Why don’t you guys make smoking illegal too. Because smoking definitely increases the risk of cancer//
Is RHBill about smoking?
//Have you even read what WHO said? and I don’t think that all your sources are reliable enough.
Heres what WHO said:
They regularly review the safety of COCs and assess the balance of risks and benefits of COC use and they have determined that for most healthy women, the health benefits clearly exceed the health risks.//
You choose who to believe, dear. If you want to take risks with your body, be my guest. We’ve done our job by providing information here that most people don’t have. Where you go from there is your choice. It’s all about choice, right? Better informed choice than uninformed choice.
//oh and did you forget that WHO is for family planning. but I don’t think that the pills are more dangerous than smoking, besides why would it be legal in richer countries who are clearly for the health benefits of their country men?. They would not allow a thing that can be harmful to be used by their citizens.//
Hmm… can we go over again what you’re saying?
You said: Smoking is more dangerous than pills.
You said: “Why would it be legal?” (re pills)
Smoking is legal, right? Does legal mean safe? Abortion is also legal in the US, you know. And it’s neither safe for the woman, nor for the baby it kills, obviously.
//The risks are not as great// You’re free to believe that if you like.
//And there ARE different kinds of pills, so if you have a side effect you have to stop using it and find one that is suitable. And not everyone can take the pill, that is why before using it. they need to get you medical history first.//
Sure honey, I also have a bridge I can sell you. Guess you haven’t read this one: http://filipinosforlife.com/2011/04/09/into-the-light-protecting-health-and-lives-of-mothers/
//Well I don’t think that having the bill would increase sexual morality,//
You’re so right there.
// I mean are you stupid or what? There are a lot of young filipinos who are engaging in premarital sex already, and they have had unwanted pregnancies. you know all those young girls that have recently graduated from High School , or are still in High School. And what about those men and women who are not really separated but lives with their mistress or whatever. There are already a lot of sexual morality in it. maybe you are just blind. why didn’t they prevent those? why did they not include that in the sermon.
Could you read over again what you just said? “Why didn’t they prevent those?” Do you mean the Church? Morality isn’t something the Church can *impose*, no matter what people claim the Church does. That’s what individual consciences are for. Even if the Church tells you, premarital sex is wrong, it’s still up to you whether you obey or not, right? And if you choose to disobey, how is that the Church’s fault?
//with the pill or the bill, there won’t be anymore abortions. so in that way we wont be hearing of FETUSES thrown in the TRASH.//
In the USA, contraceptives have been legal since the 1930′s. Guess how many abortions the US had from 1973 to 2011?
53,000,000+ babies. That’s right, honey, FIFTY THREE MILLION BABIES. And yes, they’re still in the trash. That’s in a first world country, my dear. Think contraception will stop abortion from happening? Think again. There’s a reason contraceptives have a built-in failure rate: so the abortionists have more money to make through abortion.
http://www.jillstanek.com/2010/10/aborted-babies-patient-records-found-in-mi-abortion-mill-dumpster-laws-to-stop-introduced/
//I dont think that the church has any say whether we will go to hell or not, if you engage in sex or whatever. It’s not for you or for the priests to decide. It is in fact GOD’s decision. you know he all loves us, and he is very forgiving, and in the end it is really him who decides if you deserve to go there or not. I dont think God is basing it on having premarital sex or whatever. And I think God consents it contraceptives, but it actually depends on the motive of the person. Of course if you use it to sleep around then it’s not really good, but if it is for family planning, then it is acceptable.//
You can believe what you like, it’s a free country (or it should be anyway). Remember that God is not only a God of love, He’s also a God of justice. And that there *is* such a thing as sin, otherwise we’d all be in paradise now if, as you seem to believe, “anything goes”. That’s what the devil is good at, making evil look easy and attractive. God never said getting to Heaven would be a piece of cake. On the contrary, He taught us to take up our crosses to follow Him. That may mean a heroic effort to purposely avoid what’s easy and attractive…. the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
//Children are a gift, and I don’t think God would like it if people just kept having children and would let them suffer.//
Who creates life then, and why? Does God mean for every person to be rich and comfortable? When does life begin? Are those who are born poor then, God’s mistakes?
//The thing is, if the population increases we would definitely have a shortage of food, ever thought of that? Oh wait, it is actually happening already. you know those poor families that have like a dozen children, who you know starves and eats what? salt and a little bit rice?//
What do you think would better solve the poverty problem, access to contraception or access to jobs and education? What do you think would lead more to increased quality of life — access to contraception, or absence of corruption?
//If the population decreases, and those families have planned their parenthood, they would have a lot more of food to eat and maybe they’ll rise up from poverty because then the mouths they would feed would lessen. They can afford things better, and maybe have better jobs in the future.//
If you can’t afford things in the first place because you don’t have a good paying job, having less children doesn’t make your children any richer or more comfortable. You’re still going to be at poverty level.
Carl
12 May 2011
Sterilization through vaccine? you are maybe talking about a different STERILIZATION. Sterilization as a form of contraception are vasectomy and tubal ligation. truth sayers? where is the Veracity on this?
Truthsayer
12 May 2011
There have been suspicious goings on surrounding UN/WHO/UNICEF programs for years. One example is the 1995 B-hCG-laced tetanus vaccine used on 3 million Filipino women. The Supreme Court of the Philippines banned that vaccine, but only after the vaccinations had already happened.
//Previous vaccination programs have been shown to have covertly been used to sterilize women. In 1995, the Supreme Court of the Philippines found that vaccines used in a UNICEF anti-tetanus vaccination program contained B-hCG, which when given in a vaccine, permanently destroys women’s ability to sustain a pregnancy. Aproximately three million women had already been given the vaccine.// from Gates Foundation Explains Bill Gates Re: Vaccines Reducing Population.
There have been similar schemes elsewhere (Nigeria, Brazil, Peru). We leave it up to the reader to decide if these are credible sources (we think they are), and if the reporting and research process performed are above board. But there is enough verifiable information out there to at least warrant a second look. We need to be asking these questions if we are truly going to be discerning citizens and consumers, and especially if our fellowmen will be the recipients of much of these international programs’ provisions. Why should we be concerned?
1. The science is there. People have been studying how to accomplish this for a while now. One example: Development of recombinant ovalbumin-luteinizing hormone releasing hormone as a potential sterilization vaccine
2. Forced and mass sterilizations are a fact. Forced sterilization. We don’t live in a cocoon that we can pretend these things haven’t happened. And if it has happened before under the guise of “good intentions”, you can bet there are many that still believe this is the right thing to do.
ETA:
More info about the Philippine Tetanus Scandal
We’re not telling you what to think. We’re asking you to ask questions and find answers.
Quinacrine Sterilization in India
Leo H.
21 May 2011
I came across your site when I was “googling” CFC’s (Couples For Christ) endorsement to the RH Bill. Hah, I lost time reading the links posted here..
Anyway, I’ll be checking again this website. I’m glad that there are websites like this that discusses the RH bill.
I am also anti-RH bill.
Truthsayer
10 May 2011
Ahem. Grammar: “A small issue that is virtually a non-issue” refers to the choice of the picture, not the sterilization procedures themselves. The pro-RH crowd made an issue over the PICTURE. The video’s creator said it was a non-issue, which it is.
Forced and mass sterilizations are a reality and no laughing matter. This is just one article: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6350303.ece.
For those wanting to read up, start here: Vaccine Resistance Movement.
It’s happened in Nigeria, Brazil, Peru, the Philippines.